Comments on: The Spitzer affair and the dearth of values http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/ Just another Rogers Radio Blog weblog Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:19:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.3-2.2.1 By: Speirs, Robert http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-905 Speirs, Robert Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:02:08 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-905 >Andrew Krsyal wrote: >Apparently, there is no such thing as shame or scandal >for them. Shame is dead, just old-fart moralist propaganda. Capitalism is today's moral guidance, a buck's a buck. I am not for nor against against it, yet it offers some freedom. >Why do we reward those who do wrong? What did she do that was so wrong? By referring to her behaviour as "wrong", you are making her a target of moralist hate. Selling "naughty" DVDs, prostitution, etc, are just products and services sold to supply demand. If you do not like it, do not buy, watch, nor participate. >In fact, transgressors, moral or otherwise, hide behind >the “don’t judge me” rule: unless you are without sin "Sin" is just more subjective moralist propaganda. >Yet, many are subdued by the false argument >that "anything goes" so, don’t judge me. >"Who are you to judge?" say they. As you have written. Who are you to judge? >Well, moral standards do exist. Whose moral standards? >So do issues of ethics and self-respect. Please define. >What was also truly shocking about the Spitzer affair >is that he made/allowed his wife to join him on the >pedestal of shame as he stood down. Nope! It was not his sexual behaviour that was shocking, it was that he is a lawyer and is not suppose to be engaged in illegal activity, obviously -- the conflict. >Did she really need to be there? >Can’t the good/bad Governor carry his own water? >Hasn’t his poor wife been through enough? Why should she be there? Are you exercising paternalism to save the "poor" frail female from "shame". She is a tough broad and was unsurprised by the news. >No wonder fifty percent of African American girls >have a sexually transmitted disease and more than >a quarter of white girls aged 14—19 have the same. That situation was not caused by lack of moral crap. It was caused by reduced funding to public health sex education programs, fundamentalist Christian zealots stopping sex education in schools, and the lowering of the age of consent from age sixteen to fourteen, thus inspiring young people to be to fearful to consult healthcare professionals for fear of being in trouble, causing their sexual activity to go underground. >But there we are, traipsing around the world >with the Americans telling other societies and >civilizations how to do conduct a culture >— teaching them "our values". Agree. Nobody needs to here Yankee moralist crap. >Maybe we should just send them the DVD. Yes, with special features, commentary, and subtitles. :-) >Andrew Krsyal wrote:
>Apparently, there is no such thing as shame or scandal
>for them.

Shame is dead, just old-fart moralist propaganda. Capitalism is today’s moral guidance, a buck’s a buck. I am not for nor against against it, yet it offers some freedom.

>Why do we reward those who do wrong?

What did she do that was so wrong? By referring to her behaviour as “wrong”, you are making her a target of moralist hate. Selling “naughty” DVDs, prostitution, etc, are just products and services sold to supply demand. If you do not like it, do not buy, watch, nor participate.

>In fact, transgressors, moral or otherwise, hide behind
>the “don’t judge me” rule: unless you are without sin

“Sin” is just more subjective moralist propaganda.

>Yet, many are subdued by the false argument
>that “anything goes” so, don’t judge me.
>”Who are you to judge?” say they.

As you have written. Who are you to judge?

>Well, moral standards do exist.

Whose moral standards?

>So do issues of ethics and self-respect.

Please define.

>What was also truly shocking about the Spitzer affair
>is that he made/allowed his wife to join him on the
>pedestal of shame as he stood down.

Nope! It was not his sexual behaviour that was shocking, it was that he is a lawyer and is not suppose to be engaged in illegal activity, obviously — the conflict.

>Did she really need to be there?
>Can’t the good/bad Governor carry his own water?
>Hasn’t his poor wife been through enough?

Why should she be there? Are you exercising paternalism to save the “poor” frail female from “shame”. She is a tough broad and was unsurprised by the news.

>No wonder fifty percent of African American girls
>have a sexually transmitted disease and more than
>a quarter of white girls aged 14—19 have the same.

That situation was not caused by lack of moral crap. It was caused by reduced funding to public health sex education programs, fundamentalist Christian zealots stopping sex education in schools, and the lowering of the age of consent from age sixteen to fourteen, thus inspiring young people to be to fearful to consult healthcare professionals for fear of being in trouble, causing their sexual activity to go underground.

>But there we are, traipsing around the world
>with the Americans telling other societies and
>civilizations how to do conduct a culture
>— teaching them “our values”.

Agree. Nobody needs to here Yankee moralist
crap.

>Maybe we should just send them the DVD.

Yes, with special features, commentary,
and subtitles. :-)

]]> By: Mark http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-904 Mark Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:05:22 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-904 PS - you could have subsituted "death" for "dearth" in your title with equal effect!! PS - you could have subsituted “death” for “dearth” in your title with equal effect!!

]]> By: Mark http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-903 Mark Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:04:10 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-903 Andrew: This guy got what he deserved especially after all of his tough guy, Mr. Clean stuiff when he was the AG for New York. His spouse should have hung him out to dry on his own. The sad thing is that he is probably already planning his comeback in some fashion - after a proper period of therapy and contrition, of course. Very sad - especially for his wife and girls. Andrew:

This guy got what he deserved especially after all of his tough guy, Mr. Clean stuiff when he was the AG for New York.

His spouse should have hung him out to dry on his own.

The sad thing is that he is probably already planning his comeback in some fashion - after a proper period of therapy and contrition, of course.

Very sad - especially for his wife and girls.

]]> By: Mike http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-902 Mike Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:32:00 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-902 I'd say you're completely right, it's ridiculous that this kind of stuff isn't even suprising anymore... I’d say you’re completely right, it’s ridiculous that this kind of stuff isn’t even suprising anymore…

]]> By: A Cranky Guy who wonders: Why we are here? http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-899 A Cranky Guy who wonders: Why we are here? Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:09:50 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-899 I very much enjoyed the interview this morning with the professor from California. I found the interview intellectually stimulating and to be honest, a little shocking in a positive manner. I spend most of my day in the automobile due to my energy commercial sales job and look forward each morning to hearing your show, it’s the perfect combination of intellect and cranky malcontents while at the same time providing answers – the way talk radio should be but so often isn’t. I very much enjoyed the interview this morning with the professor from California. I found the interview intellectually stimulating and to be honest, a little shocking in a positive manner. I spend most of my day in the automobile due to my energy commercial sales job and look forward each morning to hearing your show, it’s the perfect combination of intellect and cranky malcontents while at the same time providing answers – the way talk radio should be but so often isn’t.

]]> By: Phil http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-895 Phil Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:24:48 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-895 I agree with some of what Paul says. As a rule of thumb I believe that there should be a separation between public and private life in public office or any other job. But …. the part that pissed me off was when he allowed (even if it was her choice) to stand in front of the public while he tried to explain that he was remorseful. Silda Wall Spitzer looked wasted, she looked sad, a worn out woman who was putting up a brave front. I applaud her choice to help him look like he still had his family intact in order to save face in front of the public eye. There are exceptions to every rule of thumb and I think Mr. Spitzer is one. I agree with some of what Paul says. As a rule of thumb I believe that there should be a separation between public and private life in public office or any other job.

But …. the part that pissed me off was when he allowed (even if it was her choice) to stand in front of the public while he tried to explain that he was remorseful. Silda Wall Spitzer looked wasted, she looked sad, a worn out woman who was putting up a brave front. I applaud her choice to help him look like he still had his family intact in order to save face in front of the public eye.

There are exceptions to every rule of thumb and I think Mr. Spitzer is one.

]]> By: Jason Green http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-894 Jason Green Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:35:55 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-894 Maybe his wife new about this lifestyle of his, I cant imagine to many wives would stand by there side on camera after there husband being caught with his hand in the cookie jar so to speak. Maybe his wife new about this lifestyle of his, I cant imagine to many wives would stand by there side on camera after there husband being caught with his hand in the cookie jar so to speak.

]]> By: Dominic http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-893 Dominic Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:25:53 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-893 Hey Paul, I don't think the problem is that he slept with some one else, but that she was a PROSTITUTE! This is a govenor who railed against prostitution during his tenure and then this! Success came at a price for this govenor. Hey Andrew! Dominic Hey Paul,

I don’t think the problem is that he slept with some one else, but that she was a PROSTITUTE! This is a govenor who railed against prostitution during his tenure and then this!

Success came at a price for this govenor.

Hey Andrew!

Dominic

]]> By: Paul http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-888 Paul Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:02:07 +0000 http://blog.rogersradiointernet.com/andrewkrystal/2008/03/17/the-spitzer-affair-and-the-dearth-of-values/#comment-888 Andrew this guy who is the so called govenor, well guess what . The people of NY put there trust in this guy as a public figure and yes he screwed up. The question should be plain and simple. We are all human so yes we have sex with others and yes we divorce at a younger age than 20 years ago. The big deal should be. Does he do the job despite his errors. Does he bring the right mix to make NY work better as a team........We live in a society where we judge based on the news vs based on success when it comes to public figures This is just my 2 cents worth Paul Andrew this guy who is the so called govenor, well guess what . The people of NY put there trust in this guy as a public figure and yes he screwed up. The question should be plain and simple. We are all human so yes we have sex with others and yes we divorce at a younger age than 20 years ago. The big deal should be. Does he do the job despite his errors. Does he bring the right mix to make NY work better as a team……..We live in a society where we judge based on the news vs based on success when it comes to public figures
This is just my 2 cents worth
Paul

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